Awesome, do it. If it doesn't work for you then try something else. So as radishes get more leafy, you will be thinning out the planting. Although I believe that Bird's book has suggestions that sway against organic practices, I thought of it mostly because of your suggestion regarding higher beds or double-digging. I think Square Foot Gardening is French intensive goes modern, but at the same time there are elements of Square Foot Gardening that I think many would do well to experiment with to see what works best. One of the biggest strengths I think the method has, is it is not limited to any one garden or area! However the area required in this method is 80% lesser than the space that is typically needed in traditional gardening. And it's true. He doesn't say that you have to follow his plans to a tee, he advises to adjust things to fit your own needs. Here 100 pound bag in a feed store costs 8 dollars. Intensive / Biodynamic planting has many things in common with SFG, but is less 'Easy! The square yard garden is divided into a size and shape that gardeners of all ages, sizes and levels of experience can … I'll be sure to put it to good use. I live within 10 miles of the ocean so the soil is pretty much sand. I am getting ready to build planter boxes for a large, mostly unused concrete patio. Next season, you can take the entire plan from one bed and rotate it into the next. If you are combining eco-farming with square foot gardening, then I am most curious about your results. I have my doubts about the 6" soil depth too, and wonder if they might work better in sheltered areas with short, warm summers. Because I used an organic approach, I became very successful at fostering a living soil that rapidly broke down compost and organic fertilizers. I know some gardeners use food grade plastic but I haven’t found any in small quantities and it seems to cost over $50 - not every budget friendly! It is amazing how quickly I can fill a bucket with greenbeans when planting this way. I notice that eswar uses organic fertilizer versus the typical miracle grow 15-30-15. I would like to hear or see the results compared to what I have seen on the Internet. I am merely looking for a compelling reason to adopt SFG for my back yard. Plus, planning in a rotation or succession of crops over a season takes no effort. Gardens that fade out - maybe this is particularly common when people only garden in summer? Note that I found another supporting article for French Intensive Method on Mother Earth's web site. No Work!' Square foot gardening is super efficient, growing 100% of the crop in 20% of the space, making it ideal for those with space limitations. It discusses freely how to change/switch from growth phase to flowering and fruiting phase. Justaguy 2 called space, "small apartment living". I widened the doorway to the dinning room. We're leaning toward straw erosion mats to this end and for water retention. I guess what I am asking is what is it that you find worth recommending from this site? Found this interesting link that shows how someone put raised beds terraced into the side of a hill, along with 5 gallon buckets for trellised tomatoes and snap peas. Each year they spread the amendments, fire up the roto tiller and engage in heavy labor. It's just not the be-all, end-all to gardening...there's no replacing your own observations and learning. It's a great way to get folks started on gardening, and helps them think about it in a very user-friendly, practical manner. I noticed from the picture that a timer is used to control drip irrigation to the plants. Dan,Using a temperature probe, I found my SFG soil temps were within the 50 to 70 degree range for most of the season. Can anyone point me to online articles that show big hearty vegetable plants in a SFG garden, heavily laden bushy tomato plants, thickly vined cucumbers on a trellis, or huge greenbean plants with numerous greenbeans dangling under the canopy of leaves? I don't think that method would be recommended in the book for two reasons: - trellises are recommended because they can be laid out in a line on the north side to maximize sun inside the square- harder to harvest toms on the inside point between all of the cages. How ever If done right! In particular vining plants did not do as well. Wait for a month to get this book or one can borrow it from some one. worth it along the public street or alley. 100 plants of carrots per square foot?! If its a gimmick, its one I like. When it doesn't work, people say "hey, that square foot gardening stuff doesn't work." Have a collection of 12″ planting pots? Plant in the center of each section. I knew my soil was not quite nutrient dense enough, and so I did add organics like fish emulsion often through the season. Visit my website. Enjoy what ever method you choose to use. The kit 3 -3 feet was on sale for 33 dollars at GardnerÂs alive at that time. Space, bad soil, labor and it invites new and old people alike to begin or begin again, GARDENING. I have read a few articles saying that drainage of a planter box placed directly on a concrete slab isn't a concern. The sacrifice of a small percentage of yields per plant, if at all is worth while. That really is intensive [work].'. Now imagine you had a grid that separated the square inches. The man claimed to have gotten his best information directly from God during a period of prayer and fasting. (If you like the Cedarcraft cascading planter I was using among my other beds and pots, as a Blogger ambassador I can offer you 30% off your choice of product using discount code North16 at checkout!). I think there is also a discussion about the different fertilization needs of leafy vegetables and for the vegetables grown for their fruits. Concerning Dr. William Albrecht, Ph.D, I was more interested in his soil sample and analysis recommendations than his philosophies. Seriously, a 4'x4' bed to experiment with is very affordable and allows you to use the method with no variation. do you think this was due to the higher soil temperature or lower soil water content? I learnt this first from a Japanese lady 75 year young, who actively gardens. New to the forum but not SFG. Wow! Since, I would not use organic fertilzer this time around, a plastic mulch might be used. There are a lot of results to share, however here a few points. Things made sense! I am curious how much punch this will give my plants. I've had good experiences growing tomatoes up a string on a frame. Am I missing something? One of my biggest reservations about SFG is the late summer to end of season appearance of many SFG gardens. With unpruned tomato plants, production was around 19.6 pounds per plant". Two bedrooms with closets and a larger bathroom with good closet storage can be managed but three bedrooms start to be very small and I would advise you to go to three levels. We had slugs in the dirt beds and none in the mix. It might, but it wouldn't be my first choice in a container. So I planted, and did enjoy a few refreshing snow peas and some early bush beans. Besides the apartment dwellers, there are disabled and older people or just plain people that can see SFG as something they can do. A large release followed by smaller levels of available fertilizer is seemingly what happens. If you don’t have a lot of available space, square foot gardening is a great choice. Personally, band planting works well for me when planting bush greenbeans. I guess I had forgotten about those items and only remembered the deeper beds part. As far as drainage on a patio, the stones won't help you at all. 19.9k. There is nothing that can be improved. Tomatoes and summer squash did quite well and were the best performers. It's very cool how much you can grow. Some may not use the recommended 1/3rd vermiculite. This is one of the reasons that I thought SFG was not producing as well as it could for most people. Imagine 14.5 x 17.5 is your living space to the right and the remaining 8 x 17.5 houses an 8 x 9.5 galley kitchen at back left (plus understair storage - run this into the under stair area) and the dining is in the front left with windows above that built in banquette seating around a table would feellarger than the actual 8 x 8 . This is divided into 1-foot squares, giving 16 square feet in total. I am merely looking for a compelling reason to adopt SFG for my back yard. For example – a raised bed that is 4 feet by 4 feet would have 16 square feet. Maybe justaguy2 is right that I should just try a SFG trial this summer. It's easy to remember, and it's a good basis for actually getting started, and that's the beginning of learning! It is sold out, but expected to be available in the third week of March.It is a technical book. Others have criticized the second edition as being a poorly camoflaged attempt to sell that custom mix, which Mel markets under his own brand. It's a simple way to create easy-to-manage gardens with raised beds that need a minimum of time spent maintaining them. The news letters give good explanation of the principles.It is not expensive.I do not use any designerÂs fertilizers.I use common things like molasses, compost, High calcium lime, soft rock phosphate, fish emulsion,calcium nitrate, sea weed and few foliar fertilizers.Since these are geared towards farmers, I do not post about them.For my 60th birthday some one gave me a Digital camera as a gift. One square foot is 16 carrots, one tomato, or 16 onions, all with plenty of room to grow because they are spaced evenly in a grid instead of a straight line. Cheers,D. Just afraid of getting lots of weeds again! Which leads to the next benefit: If you can imagine one square foot holds four lettuce plants – that will mean four little spots with 2-3 seedlings. Also, do you think deeper incorporation will give you more soil volume and thus more soil water? I have included a link on this post that suggests 2' deep beds should be the normal. Ten years ago I read “All New Square Foot Gardening”, by Mel Bartholomew and started my first garden. Have a look at the spacings recommended here: Here is a link that might be useful: Square Foot Spacings. A quality, well aerated mix with 33%+ quality compost is a different animal altogether. In addition it also gives you a fair estimation of the number of plants you can hope to harvest (bugs, weather and luck aside), so you get that bit of a bonus when deciding how much space you want to dedicate to lettuce versus brussel sprouts or beets. Just my experiences, we each find our best way. © Growing North 2021. Although the watermelon and muskmelon appear to have smaller fruit than open ground grown plants and fewer melons, the tomatoes are loaded with good sized fruit. Now one can make 2 tier squared foot garden one 6 inches and the other12 inches. Anotherstep that would make this feel larger, would be to go with taller ceilings on the first floor, and add a row of higher windows that afford privacy but bring natural light in. Here is a link that might be useful: One of many aerated soil enhancers. Regarding eswar's 3' x 3' bed or squareftgardener's 2' x 3' or 2' x 6' beds, I wonder if they perform any differently than larger or more square beds? You might say, "What about when the radishes get larger?" Some of the links provided at this site gives some general ideahttp://home.woh.rr.com/billkrisjohnson/Garden/GardeningforMaximumNutrition.htm. The effects are long lasting. Square foot gardening made gardening easier for some and now several companies are selling raised bed kits. However, I don't think the consenses here approves of it. If that much is being produced, it has to pull enough to support that growth. You can build raised beds and place them in the sunniest areas in your yard, or build planter boxes that can be placed on your back porch or balcony. I appreciate the information you shared. I know I'm probably talking to myself, that's nothing new! A square foot garden can be thought of as a grid. This is another good source. It was invented by backyard gardener and engineer Mel Bartholomew. but remember that around 4' wide needs to be used for stair and that is likely to take up to 8' long. Sounds like we have some similar issues to overcome - mine are sunlight at 5700 feet, low humidity and much, much dessicating wind. I understand what you are saying and your link has excellent and useful info. You mentioned using "molasses, compost, High calcium lime, soft rock phosphate, fish emulsion, calcium nitrate, sea weed and few foliar fertilizers" I like all those products. The straw required additional nitrogen fertilizer to replace what it used in decomposition. Is root growth compromised, or do plants reach their true potential? This is a great article about B/F intensive: beginnings, expectations, results.http://www.motherearthnews.com/Organic_Gardening/1980_January_February/Biodynamic_French_Intensive_Gardening, Other excellent resources:http://www.frenchgardening.com/aupotager.tmpl?SKU=3104884985285027http://www.commongroundinpaloalto.org/eventandfriendsphotos.htm, Ooo pretty pictureshttp://www.commongroundinpaloalto.org/gallery/Imager.asp?Dir=/2004%20Glorious%20Garden%20Tour, And link after link after linkhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biointensivehttp://davesgarden.com/terms/go/496/http://www.minifarms.com/, Silly premise, some pictureshttp://www.endtimesreport.com/gardening.html. That is all to it. Popularized by retired engineer-efficiency expert Mel Bartholomew, square-foot gardening allows you to get a high yield from a small area—a win-win situation for beginning gardeners and experienced ones alike.It’s especially beneficial to gardeners who don’t have much time or yard space. Never cut a sucker and they were at leats 8 feet tall. Square foot gardens are grown in raised beds, usually four feet square. Are you using synthetic or organic fertilizers? To get a lot out of very little space requires no short cuts when it comes to soil quality and fertility. Those gardens will under perform, predictably. :D. Since this is copyrighted material I can not post this.There is a news letter in the above website dedicated to growing tomatoes. You will want to utilize tricks like banquette seating in the dining corner so that is not taken up with space to pull chairs out. I read that 6 to 8 times per season is the best frequency for foliar feeding. Regarding foliar feeding and soil drenches, I found the following small video of John Evan's and his brewed tea. As tomatoes, cucumbers, cabbage, and other larger vegetables are desired over a plain onion and salad greens garden, maybe thinking 'outside the square foot' is a good new approach. I had a garden for years but not the last two, due to low plant production. Quick things like radishes can easily leave a space for lettuce once harvested, or plant longer-season crops between the radishes so they can take over when the first items are finished. I am still working on improving my garden and expect the soil to be in even better shape since this old test. Drip systems and soaker systems work really well with containers. I suspect that root competition, lack of nutrients, occasional drying of root zone, and limited growing area typically catch up to the SFG garden about halfway through the season. 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